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  how many non born ins ever attended a church?

  by sowhatnow in

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  im curious, how many people on here had belonged to another church, or have enough knowlege of one.

  to have thought the kingdom hall was a better option?

  the wt articles often in the past, critisized other churches as being full of false christains, i have one from 1955 that rips on the roman catholic church.. not that they are free of guilt, but, i thought, gee, how many of these critisizers ever went to a small church to make that judgment?.

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  Bungi Bill

  I wouldn't have claimed to be a regular church attender, but certainly used to go along to the odd Sunday church service (both Anglican and Presbyterian). Prior to that, my mother used to make sure us children went to the local Sunday School - which, for her was easy enough to enforce, given that she was one of the teachers!

  However, I could never quite see the point of it all. Then, in the mid-1960s, my grandmother became a JW. Unfortunately (looking back on it now) what the JWs said seemed to have relevance. Between that and their bible written in modern English (at a time when the mainstream churches were still using the King James version, with its Archaic English), I got myself snared!

  Bill.
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  What really woke me up: I started noticing most JWS are weirdos..

  by kneehighmiah in

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  thankfully my parents are converts so they aren't wierd.

  seemed pretty popular by all accounts.

  they are "popular" jws even now.

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  Bungi Bill

  I grew up in a sparsely populated district, in which eccentric persons were not uncommon (they were usually referred to as "characters", and one could write a book - perhaps even several - about som eof the eccentric characters I knew).

  However, the ones I encountered "in the truth" were something else again, and I agree with kneehighmiah and others that the religion of the JWs attracts more than its share of strange people.

  Just one question, though, about something you said:

  "My parents sent me to college and told me to take what the watchtower said with a grain of salt."

  Knowing that to be the case - as they obvioulsy do - how is it that your parents still remain with this religion? As W.C. Stevens, in his 1968 book "The Inside Story of Jehovahs Witnesses" expressed it:

  "No other religious group would demand so mauch from its followers, in return for so little."

  Bill.
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  IT IS ALL SHITE !!

  by hamsterbait in

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  and you know what?

  i am never going to argue about the babble or witchtower comic book fairy tales ever again.

  a big f to the lot of them.. whew - feels good doesn't it?.

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  Way to go!

  Bill
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  Are there any members here from Tasmania??

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  just curious if there are any members from tasmania, australia?.

  keep yourself annonymous if you wish, but im just curious.. pm me if you prefer.. .

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  Bungi Bill

  stuckinarut,

  I presently live in Tasmania (just outside of Launceston).

  Bill.
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  Pinker on Terrorism .... Self-Defeating

  by jgnat in

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  http://chronicle.com/article/era-in-ideas-terrorism/128490/.

  his conclusion, .

  "even when they are not rooted out by states, terrorist groups carry the seeds of their own destruction.

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  JeffT,

  British General Lord Richards, recently retired as their Chief of Defence Staff, is widely reported as noting that ISIS is not just a terrorist organisation, it also fields large conventional forces. As such, it will require conventional forces to defeat it. Further, in his view, these will certainly need to include ground forces - airstrikes on their own will not be sufficient (particularly those confined to within the borders of Iraq.

  Unpalatable as it may sound, in the opinion of this senior army officer of 42 years military experience, the only way that ISIS can be defeated (let alone destroyed) is for the West to commit itself to an all-out war in the Middle East. According to Richards, an alliance with Russia would be necessary, as would the need to carry military operations across the border into Syria (there would be little likelihood of success if ISIS can take sanctuary in a neighbouring country).

  Lord Richard's views are being widely reported at the moment (both in our Australian newspapers, and others). He may well have a point!

  Bill.
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  December 1,2014 watchtower saying buying house is bad

  by hoser in

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  page 15.

  "take for example a christian couple in asia.

  in their younger years, they admired those who could afford to own a house.

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  Bungi Bill

  WT writers have honed the art of writing in such a way that it's easy to read into their words things that aren't explicitly stated.

  Ain't that a fact!

  - e.g. 1975

  In those years, anybody contemplating buying a house was regarded as barking mad - "why buy a house, only to have somebody take it off you" (i.e during the Great Tribulation).

  Bill.
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  Spanking VS. Reasoning

  by SpeedRacer in

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  i am having a discussion at work with the jw's.

  should you spank a child to make them understand or do you reason with them.

  they both agree with spanking.

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  Bungi Bill

  The problem, even when spanking seems to "work", is that you've just taught the child to obey based on fear.

  More than anything else, children learn by imitating both adults and other children. (i.e. "Monkey see, monkey do"). You can talk, talk, talk until you are blue in the face, but it is what they see you doing that makes the most lasting impression. Using corporal punishment to make them do what you want is the quickest way to teach children to do that very same thing. I have often observed this trait in persons who grew up in families in which (particularly) the father was a regular martinet, and in which the older children were often used to also keep there younger brothers and sisters in line. Not surprisingly, these individuals grew up believing that there was only one way in which to interact with other people, and this was:

  "if ya don't do what I want you to do, I'm gonna bash ya."

  A real intellectual approach to life.

  Bloody great!

  Bill.
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  Why Jehovah's Witnesses Are Susceptible To Ponzi-Schemes and Rip-Off Artist More than the public!

  by BucketShopBill in

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  this thread is dedicated to my friend blondie when she asked "why the pay day loan shop woman had so much access to jws".

  in 1993 the jehovah's witnesses in ventura, santa barbara, san luis obispo, monterery, stanislaus, san fransisco, alemeda counties were spreading word of the miracle worker of money from san fransisco.

  word traveled throughout the circuit overseers, district overseers telling everyone these brothers in san fransisco were paying 15% for "180 days loans"without any risk, most of these jws were elders and cos and dos, it was only among them the scam remained to create a "in crowd feeling" and left out non elders setting up the sheep for something special down the road!

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  For the most part, average JWs are rather gullible.

  Exactly!

  Bill
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  Spanking VS. Reasoning

  by SpeedRacer in

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  i am having a discussion at work with the jw's.

  should you spank a child to make them understand or do you reason with them.

  they both agree with spanking.

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  Bungi Bill

  Your boss doesn't spank you when you don't do what he says, but the cops sure will.

  I thought that the job of the police was to arrest the lawbreakers, not to punish them - with that function being the role of the courts?

  Even in the application of force while making an arrest, police are limited as to what they may, and what they may not do. Using an armlock or a headlock to overpower a reluctant prisoner while moving him into a patrol vehicle is one thing. Hauling down his trousers, and then administering "six of the best" with a leather strap across his naked buttocks is quite something else again!

  Bill.
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  Why do so many refer to Elders as "window washers"?

  by adjusted knowledge in

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  i know the society is against higher education and the pursuit of careers but in my experience the elders in the various congregations i attended had good careers.

  in fact most had their own businesses.

  thinking back of the boe when i was a teenager this is what they had as a career: two were respected carpenters who owned a construction business, one a high school teacher(he was the po), one sold insurance and was a lawyer, one owned a landscaping business and also hired sisters to clean office buildings and other accounts he had, one was retired, and the last was a janitor for the school board.

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  I agree with those who describe the use of this expression as being more in the symbolic category than anything else; and that it is used to represent the generally unskilled or semi-skilled occupations that JWs are found to be employed in. In other words, as with the elders, so with the rank and file -courtesy of the WTS's anti education stance.

  Of all the elders that I ever knew, none were window washers by occupation. There were a number who did general cleaning (i.e. janitorial) work, including, but not limited to, windows. A few held carpet cleaning franchises, and the JWs in general did seem to be a little over-represented in pest control work. Also, there was a trend in the 1970s and 80s for JWs to be employed as school caretakers (which, to be sure, would have included a fair share of window cleaning!). Other than that, there were retired farmers (with more money than the bull could $h#t, but to be fair, I never heard any of them give a talk about materialism!); there were also carpenters, plasterers, truck drivers, factory hands, labourers, timber workers, electricity meter readers, orchard hands, boilermakers, plus a few who were best described as "Jacks of all Trades, but Masters of None".

  Very, very few of the JWs I ever knew had university degrees - one Ministerial Servant was a doctor, another an electrical engineer (his father, an elder, somehow remained one, despite sending his son to university), and a third was a civil engineer (whom the building committee was quick to grab hold of whenever there was a Kingdom Hall or Assembly Hall project coming up).

  None of the elders I ever knew had a university degree, and as others here have pointed out already,were singularly unqualified to deal with many of the people problems that they encounter - such as my daughter's attempted suicide back in 1998. (By the time the office cleaner, boilermaker and labourer who comprised the JC had finished with her, the miracle is my daughter did not then go out and finish the job!)

  Bill